Unlocking Mysteries: From Mediumship to Metaphysics with Rev Dr Paul Meckes.

Reverend Dr. Paul Meckes, is an ordained minister and meta-physician with extensive experience in metaphysical sciences, paranormal investigation, and mediumship. 

• Katische and Dr. Meckes discuss his journey in mediumship, the significance of his great-grandmother's spiritual presence, and the intricate details of paranormal investigations. 
• They also delve into broader topics like spiritualism, consciousness, and the importance of being authentic and seeking one's true self. 
• The conversation highlights Dr. Meckes' experiences in spiritualism, his role in exorcisms, and the fine line between mental health and spiritual phenomena. 
• The episode provides a comprehensive look into Dr. Meckes' multifaceted career and his commitment to bridging the gap between science and spirituality.

Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction to Infinite Life with Katische Haberfield
00:39 Season 13 Overview and Guest Introduction
01:28 Reverend Dr. Paul Meckes' Background
05:16 Exploring Mediumship and Paranormal Investigations
06:25 Childhood Experiences and Spiritual Awakening
08:50 Family Connections and Spiritual Guides
32:43 Academic Pursuits and Metaphysical Studies
55:36 The Role of a Spiritualist Minister
01:01:26 Clarifying Spiritualism as a Religion
01:03:08 Scientific Investigations in Spiritualism
01:07:35 Paranormal Investigations and Mediumship
01:14:34 Challenges and Ethics in Paranorma

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Transcript

0:00

Welcome to the Infinite Life with Katische Haberfield. I'd like to take you on a transformative journey, exploring the mysteries of the soul. I hope you enjoy the regression case studies, mediumship interviews, and fascinating discussions that I've had with guests on the podcast. I hope that these answer some of the questions that you might have about life on this planet, on others, and in other dimensions. Thank you for joining me, and please don't forget to like and subscribe. And most importantly, share with your friends. Namaste.

Katische Haberfield: 0:39

Welcome back to the Infinite Life with Katische Haberfield podcast. I'm your host, Katische Haberfield, and you are in season 13. And this season we have been talking to some interesting and fascinating people who I wanted to either bring back on the show or they had some interesting things which I felt were gaps in my knowledge. back in season 10, on episode eight, we had Reverend Dr. Paul Meckes, and we were talking with him about spiritual changes in what we call the midlife section of your life. So before I welcome him back, I would just like to reread his profile, which is a longer one today because I, there are some things on here that I didn't get to ask last time. So I'll read his profile and then I'll welcome him back to the show. So Reverend Meckes is a duly ordained minister and meta physician. Okay, I'm gonna say that meta physician first through the Institute of Metaphysical Humanistic Science, and then through the priesthood of the Order of Measle deck almost 30 years of academic studies and research, he received his PhD in Metaphysical Science, sum LA, and Ordination in the spring of 2014, under the authority of the Institute of Metaphysical Humanistic Science of Florida Sarasota. While in his doctorate studies, Paul founded and headed the Claremont Paranormal and Metaphysical Research Society, a Noetic Science Coalition and Network of diverse scientific disciplines. Paul's mission being the scientific research and for the advancements of further knowledge of consciousness of the human condition, paranormal and ano, oh, here we go again. Another word anomalous phenomenon has gained attention with the spiritualistic and scientific communities as a revolutionary in his investigative approach in the field. Paul has lectured and instructed at the Southern Cassa Anga Spiritualist Camp in Lake Helen, Florida, and the Chapel of Spiritual Light in Orlando. Dr. McKees has lectured for the Institute of Noetic, science of Central Florida and the second and the third annual Treasure Coast Para Unity Conference Mir, Florida on quantum physics and the paranormal. annual 2018 Consciousness 2.0 symposium in. me Florida, as well as appearing on the Paranormal Stakeout Podcast through the X Zone Radio Show on iHeartRadio in 2019, following 10 years as a student medium, he received his certification with the American Spiritualist Association under the direction of the late Reverend Benjamin R. Cox and the Chapel of Spiritual Light, where he laid a filled in as an interim pastor of the church Reverend Dr. Meckes continued his education with the Morris Pratt Institute of Psychical Research. Later he was invited to be a guest on the Fringe FM Radio and the American Roundtable of Tough on Tough tv. Dr. Meckes is the founder, host, and producer of the Conscious Radio Network, LLC. That broadcasts a weekly podcast series, I think it's biweekly even more, which examines a wide range of scientific research on consciousness, spirituality, earth mysteries, is that word again, anomalous phenomenon and the ever-changing factors of the human condition. In 2023, Reverend Doc, Dr. Meckes was nominated into the Mars, who's who in America of which inclusion is limited to individuals who possess a professional integrity, demonstrate outstanding achievement in their respective fields, and have made innumerable contributions to so society as a whole. It's also an affiliate for the Order of Exorcist Saint Michael Seminary. Studies of Assessment Science. I'm the authority of the most, Reverend Ronald Faye Enright, SOSM. Welcome back to the podcast.

Rev Dr: 4:29

Thank you for having me back.

Katische Haberfield: 4:31

You're welcome. And I think I said already, season 10, episode eight, if you have missed the previous discussion, with Paul. So our last episode, we were talking about sort of stuff that happened. Midlife. Because at that time I was focusing on helping people understand their spiritual awakening. But when I was rereading your profile and the things that I wanted to talk to you back was I never got the chance to ask you about your medium shift skills, your paranormal investigations, which I, watch all of the, stuff you have on the YouTube in terms of ghosts and your paranormal in investigation stuff'cause that's my jam. And then your doctorate. So what I wanted to ask you first of all is you studied you're studying mediumship since 2009 and you did a 10 year program with Reverend Benjamin Cox, who you've just done a series on your podcast. So that meant you got certified in 2019. If you can go back to 2009, why did you begin studying mediaship? Because some people grow up in families where there's this genetic tendency or predis predisposition towards being a medium. some people have experiences with things that bump in the night as kids, some people meet somebody who can see ghosts or can communicate with ancestors and loved ones. And it's what I call through exposure to people. You get a skills transfer. How did it happen for you? Why did you, in 2009 roughly decide I wanna learn about being a a certified medium?

Rev Dr: 6:25

I think that lead, the lead to that was, that precursor of being the only child and you're you, got all that time in your life growing up, just exploring the universe, the inside working from the inside out and looking at everything around you. And it, it seems like in a different light. And I believe that I vaguely remember seeing and experiencing things as a child growing up that not necessarily wasn't there, but was there, most people call 'em imaginary friends. I had a very vivid imagination growing up. I was always doing stuff on my own. Not that I didn't have friends, but it just seemed like there was something larger than myself. Much larger than myself. It was almost so as though I remembered something, my infinite self, and even still today I still, feel that almost, like you're a, an immortal it's like I'm remembering past lives. I'm remembering experiences that I didn't have in this lifetime. But as, I got older and it just, felt like I gotta, know more. I gotta know more, I gotta know more about, I wouldn't say the other side, but as a general that's a good best place to start is getting into spiritualism, getting into medium ship. And when I got into it, it felt natural. Wow, I remember this, it felt familiar.

Katische Haberfield: 8:18

No.

Rev Dr: 8:19

And no, there was nobody in my family at the time that I knew of that I. Was a medium or had mediumship abilities. Didn't know much about my father and his, my father's side. My great grandmother I got to know very well before before the age of 10 and then having to move to Florida, we felt guilty leaving her behind. Which I just recently had a conversation with her. And realizing through when I got into mediumship, she always came forward to give me this information to let me know that she was a medium him that but she never let, she never told anybody she had the skills. My mother now obviously doesn't practice it, which is what like, yeah, like you said sometimes, things skip generations Or.

Katische Haberfield: 9:27

Yep.

Rev Dr: 9:28

In this case, two generations. Yeah, it, and then when I started realizing that my, there was a family member involved in this and it it helped boost, it was like a, she ended up and still is today, my cheerleader from the other side and protector. So that I'm, did that answer something?

Katische Haberfield: 9:57

Yeah. Yeah, I did. Yeah. That's cool. That's cool. And. Did you say that you had an imaginary, what we call imaginary friend? Did you actively play with somebody? Because this is, the reason I ask this is because I did say to my mom, who literally, I only told last weekend that I could see ghost and interact with them as mediums on Good Friday actually, because the whole conversation about NDEs came up with her neighbor, which was totally unexpected. But I did remember asking her about a year or two ago, did I have an imaginary friend as a child? I was like, surely when I look back, this could be part of the explanation.'cause I be off. I, people describe me as off with the fairies and I did believe in fairies and all that sort of stuff. And I was a bit in my head as a child. But she said no, you didn't have any, you didn't have any imaginary friends. And I was like, oh, that's interesting. Okay. Not that I remembered any, but I was like, okay, no. All right. That's not the answer. Um, and I think some people put this whole stigma about imaginary friends out there oh, their child is, there's something wrong with them. They've got an imaginary friend, but it's totally not, it's usually a spirit guide or an ancestor or someone that they're conversing with. Sorry, long question, but did, you say you

Rev Dr: 11:18

Yeah. I don't remember in a traditional sense, imaginary friend like someone another being there nonphysical that you would converse with. I do this it wasn't like that. Not that I remember,

Katische Haberfield: 11:37

Yep.

Rev Dr: 11:38

but it was more like there was a council around me, not of several, and not all of them at the same time would be there. Maybe a couple, maybe one. I. And they would come in as groups or singly. And one would be an engineer, one would be an artist, one would be like different muses, but that my spirit guides and they would come in and they would work with me. And I remember, I, I'd be so engrossed in a, particular project. Like I was a Lego guy. I, was a Lego kid. I'd had Legos like you couldn't believe so many hundreds of thousands, if not millions. It's crazy. Parents hated it. Stepping on 'em. Yeah.

Katische Haberfield: 12:35

I know my kids were la Lego fanatics. We've still got the Lego.

Rev Dr: 12:38

yeah. I still miss, I miss 'em though. I don't have any but I would, channel in all this information, it would gimme these ideas and I would build something I. From scratch, just complete. And I wish I had pictures and still had them. Today. I would build things that were like, were operational, like operational things, engineering type items. It's whoa, a safe, I bought a, I built a safe that had a combination on it out of Legos. Still remember that to this day, I'd build boats, I'd build yachts, I'd build semi-truck, I'd build and just from the ground up, no instructions, no nothing.

Katische Haberfield: 13:55

You're a Advanced than me. The Lego skills, I always and only ever built houses And I drove my Matchbox cars up to the front door of the house, and I played. Happy families. So you're a bit more advanced than me with a Lego playing.

Rev Dr: 14:14

yeah. I never felt alone. That was interesting. It was like I was alone in a sense, aside from my parents, but I never felt alone. I always felt like there was always that group there with me needing,

Katische Haberfield: 14:33

you them around you? Do you know what I mean? Like, when you were getting these, would you call it as like downloads of inspiration when you were like this safe and stuff like that was that, do you feel like a knowledge transfer from the engineer guide, or do you feel like that's a part of you that might have been accessing a past life as somebody who was a engineer in engineering somebody who actually constructed things for a living.

Rev Dr: 15:02

I think a little bit of both. I think at the beginning it was remembering, my abilities in a past life or in a parallel timeline. I. Now it's, it seems like it's more downloads. Or a little bit of remembering, but I think a little bit of both. But I, never felt that they were kinda like my babysitters, it was like, that's what it felt like. It was like, yeah, some of them were, quite protective. But one night they, I, they were like you're just gonna have to do it. You're gonna, and I cut my finger. I, my parents bought me this rate, this airplane type thing that you build air paper airplanes, but they're not really paper, like cardboard. But that was a very dangerous hobby because I had to use razor blades, really sharp razor blades. And I remember in the middle of the night, it slipped and it cut the tip of my finger off. And, oh my God, I ran to the kitchen. My parents were asleep. They heard me, my mom wakes up and spent the rest of the, maybe an hour or so trying to clean the wound, tape it back up. But I thought I had to go to the hospital. But no sometimes you have to have those mistakes, but yeah, it's, it was it.

Katische Haberfield: 16:42

sorry, go

Rev Dr: 16:42

Go ahead. Yeah,

Katische Haberfield: 16:44

I

Rev Dr: 16:44

I was just trying,

Katische Haberfield: 16:45

why do you think that you have to ha you had to have a protective presence around you? I.

Rev Dr: 16:54

I didn't think I really needed it. It, I think it was more like, almost felt like I was still in the nest coming into this lifetime. I'm still in the nest. And it was, they knew that I. It was almost so it was written, it was I didn't have, I didn't, like I said, I didn't have any siblings, no direct siblings, no brothers or sisters. I would have, my mother always reminds me that I would've had a sister that would've been maybe a year older than me if she was still alive now. But with that, happening I guess there was something that happened that shifted. And perhaps if she, perhaps she's on the, that's, that is one person. I haven't, one soul I haven't been able to reached out to, only because I keep forgetting about it every time I, get into a channel.

Katische Haberfield: 17:59

that's really interesting. Was your sister, sorry, and you don't have to answer this, but was your sister a or was she a full term born baby? Who died

Rev Dr: 18:07

Miscarriaged. Yeah.

Katische Haberfield: 18:09

Okay. Very interesting. I don't know why I feel like saying this to you, but are you aware And I've only become aware of this because of the, I know why I've got a pencil on my hand, but because of the work that I do, that, and this will either strongly resonate with you or it won't. That a soul or the individual slice of the soul that determines that it wants to incarnate can sometimes try to come in several times. And basically what happens is the, depending upon the life challenge, I know it happened to me. That's why I'm, why I'm mentioning it because I tried to come in a couple of times and I never thought about it like this because my mom miscarried one before me, one after me. And it wasn't until I did a hypno, a hypnotherapy session. Well, it wasn't actually yeah, I did a hypnotherapy session and then I did a session with my friend which was a timeline session, and

Rev Dr: 19:20

Yeah.

Katische Haberfield: 19:21

me, what month did you come into the womb while I was in a theater state. And I answered months

Rev Dr: 19:29

Yeah.

Katische Haberfield: 19:29

and I could see myself coming at seven months. And I had already seen what happened at seven months and it was horrendous. But what I then got the knowing of was that I was the one that was tried to come in previously and my fear of what I needed to do in this lifetime as Katische was so strong that I couldn't go through with it. And I pulled out.

Rev Dr: 19:58

Huh.

Katische Haberfield: 19:58

Sorry, mom. Devastating for her because there's all of the things that are associated with the miscarriage, which are very traumatic. What I learned when I had communicated with a ghost named Rose at a cemetery she had pulled out and caused her mother to miscarry because something had changed in the dynamics of their family. And she just went, no, I'm not doing this. Um, and she stayed around because when she went to go to the light, she saw the impact of what happened on the family. And she was stuck in grief and in guilt. And I had to cross her over to get a, to go back up. And she, she told me that a portion of her soul had already reincarnated back into that family. To have another go again. If you've never been able to your sister, the first thing that thought to me, and sorry to share this on a podcast other people may ha be it is you are your sister and maybe she will go absolutely not and contact you immediately. Do you know what I mean?'cause we're putting it out there because you and I are both very good at communicating, but it's like, Hey, Paul's sister, if you were Paul, if you are not Paul, contact him right now. Not right now so that he can clear this up because it could be you and it could be similar. This feeling of protection that you had saying, don't know if I can, signed up for it I wanted to do it. But then when it comes to that jumping in and you jump into the, you come in through the body. You are like, oh shit, I don't know if I can do this.

Rev Dr: 21:44

Yeah.

Katische Haberfield: 21:44

was the linkage with the protecting feeling because you're like, this dude, he's gonna actually be a minister and he is gonna go and be a paranormal investigator and he is gonna work with Exorcist. And you're like, oh, I dunno, I, you do, this

Rev Dr: 21:58

All right. Yeah, it does. It does. Yeah and I never thought about that too. I never, which is interesting 'cause that is interestingly enough, only came up during this conversation. Only because it's you only bring, memories forward when you are discussing something in specific and then you start trying to pull data from your conscious or subconscious and or general memory.'cause it's always in that back. It's always in that depository back there that if you don't need it, we're just gonna put it away for somewhat easy access on your computer. And what's interesting is now that I brought that up and that you mentioned that kind of does explain to know that maybe it just wasn't the right time for me for my soul to come in and incarnate at that particular time. Timing is everything, is about time. Maybe it was specific for the, astrological aspect where the planets were aligned. Maybe there was something, maybe that timeline of a life being incarnated to wasn't the right mission. It wasn't the right one. Now I'm not sure what the time difference was. That's that'll be my next question. My mother is what was the timeline? What was what, would've been her birthdate compared to my birthdate? Then I might be able to get some information.

Katische Haberfield: 23:48

Yeah, it's fascinating because if you go to a Vedic astrologer, I've recently had my birth chart done from a Vedic astrologer. Oh,

Rev Dr: 23:56

those are good. Those are,

Katische Haberfield: 23:58

yeah. Doozy in terms of what I came into to clear. And I didn't realize it until I, I've had a western astrology reading done. And then I had a Vedic one and I've had the Vedic one done twice as well as a Vedic location, astrology one. And when I did the Money Karma one, the

Rev Dr: 24:19

yeah.

Katische Haberfield: 24:20

that I wanted to come through that then brought through all the ancestral stuff that I had to clear. And it actually even explained why I got divorced.

Rev Dr: 24:29

really

Katische Haberfield: 24:30

Yeah.

Rev Dr: 24:31

Whoa.

Katische Haberfield: 24:33

Yep, And uh, and that hadn't come up when she did it as a romance one, do you know what I mean? But it was just interesting because I was just, when you were saying that then I was just thinking, yeah, it'd be interesting to look to know when my mother was due also, to see if I could reverse engineer it, which you can't 'cause you you need the exact time of their birth or whatever. If they were gonna come through and you don't know, wouldn't it be fun to know? What your VA astrology report would have if you knew the exact timing of when you were gonna be born, if you were that previous miscarriage. Because then you could go, oh, look at the two different readings the life circumstances in the same family that would've had different soul mission. But yeah, you, unless you've got a live birth or a stillbirth, you don't know that actual time and you can roughly know the date, but you don't know the hour and stuff like that. But yeah. Fascinating to see. It'd be fascinating to see that difference of approach.

Rev Dr: 25:30

The thing too is that even if it was. Wasn't true, even if it wasn't like that. And he, that soul ended up going somewhere further in the fears of the spirit realm to the point where there is no connection, there is no, it's maybe it was like the wrong one. Maybe it was a complete wrong incarnation. Whoops, wrong portal.

Katische Haberfield: 25:58

Yeah.

Rev Dr: 25:59

Let's go somewhere else.

Katische Haberfield: 26:01

I think you had a guest, was it somebody I saw recently on a podcast and I hadn't clicked on? Might had the experience of coming in and knowing they'd picked the wrong body.

Rev Dr: 26:15

oh yeah, that does sound familiar.

Katische Haberfield: 26:18

Yeah. But, so yeah, it could be anything, but it would be interesting to know from your sister's perspective, again, it may be none of our business or your business, it may just be sorry mate. Yeah, I didn't come through and it's not, you'll find out when you get to the, come up here.

Rev Dr: 26:37

Yeah,

Katische Haberfield: 26:37

When you come back, you'll find out. Yep. Which is very frustrating for me.'cause I always wanna know now

Rev Dr: 26:42

it's

Katische Haberfield: 26:42

wait wait and you'll have a laugh. And I'm like, Uhuh, no. I wanna know now.

Rev Dr: 26:46

yeah, it's like an astral. It's this universal astral mission that was Black Ops special operations, like military. Nobody needs to know this. This is a secret mission. Whoops. You had to pull out and we had to abandon the mission.

Katische Haberfield: 27:04

Yeah. Always interesting. Great Grandmama comes through and she, you started doing the mediumship, certification and she came through then she was one of the first ones that came through. Is that what Saying? I.

Rev Dr: 27:22

I think it was a couple years into it that she presented herself. It was when I, it was actually when I started doing some medium ship circles in, in our class at the reverend's home. We'd all sit around and stuff, and then the late Reverend Ben Cox would come in and I remember him delivering a message to myself about my grandmother, great-grandmother. And then then after that, was like 2010, 2012 ish, I think. Yeah. Or maybe. No time, don't mean nothing. It's, it was there, it happened. But then she ended up starting to come to all the seances, whether it was a client based investigation or just a general sit down with the class or the church or something. And she would come to the table. She would come up the table tipping sea.

Katische Haberfield: 28:29

Yep.

Rev Dr: 28:30

She would, she'd be the first one table would go crazy. She'd come to me and I didn't even have to ask. It was like, yep, I'm here. I, so

Katische Haberfield: 28:42

And, you said that she lived where you were originally born. Where was that, which part of

Rev Dr: 28:47

yeah. Allentown, Pennsylvania.

Katische Haberfield: 28:50

Pennsylvania. Okay. All right. And if you look back at your grandmother's sides of the tree, great grandmother's side of the tree is there because there's this stereotype that can come through in very specific. Specific ethnic family. Certain cultures are very strong on mediumship. Did she have a background in her family lineage that goes Yeah. This is a kind of a culture that you would expect that to come through, or she explained it to you as in No, this is my one-off skills that has nothing to do with my lineage ancestrally.

Rev Dr: 29:30

Sure. It never came through that way, but I, would, when I tap into the energy from her and tap into the heritage of the family, she's originally from Austria.

Katische Haberfield: 29:45

Oh, okay.

Rev Dr: 29:47

Yeah, so she's originally from Austria, my great grandfather from Norway, from Oslo, Norway. But around the time of war world War ii actually World War I the World War I through World War ii, especially World War II is when he came to the United, both of them came to the United States but at that time they hadn't met each other. She came over definitely, yeah, it was definitely before World War ii. My great-grandfather had to escape and change his name to escape the persecutions from the Nazis And left his family behind. He was only 14, 15 years old, I think at the time. But with, but then also seeing a little bit about, I'm trying to get more information on the family.'cause I asked my mother this the other day. I was like, is there somebody in the family that can really pull some information other than having to get a genealogist to do all the investigation stuff like that

Katische Haberfield: 30:55

Ancestry. Yeah.

Rev Dr: 30:56

all here is it all, do, does somebody already have information? Don't know yet, but I would, I feel so, I feel that back during the 17, 15, 15 hundreds, dark ages, middle Ages in Austria, Denmark that part of the world was very metaphysical spiritual. Yeah. You got the ancient Celts of you've got the, ancient Saxons the Vikings, my grandfather, so we've got a lot of that ancient Mediterranean cultures around there. The north to the Saxons up and yeah, so I, I think so. I def I feel it. So that was something that would, she probably practiced it when, back when she was in the homeland, but nobody knew that she would've practiced it when when she moved here to the United States.

Katische Haberfield: 32:09

Because a big stigma, right? Back then, especially in the 15 hundreds you've got the whole witchcraft stuff going. You've got the Spanish Inquisition around that sort of time related there's all sorts of stuff there. Even the the the, nuns in St. St. Catherine, St. Theresa Villa

Rev Dr: 32:35

Yeah.

Katische Haberfield: 32:36

under the Spanish Inquisition because of her experiences with connecting with the Divine. She was ultimately cleared and, continued her life. But yeah, you can see how all of that stuff comes in. Your doctorate you finished in 2014. That's right.

Rev Dr: 33:00

Yes.

Katische Haberfield: 33:01

So that sort of happens at the same time as your mediumship stuff. Like what, when did you start your doctorate and why, did you choose? Because you've got, you've told us about this engineering sort of inclination as a child. And if I remember correctly, you are an engineer professionally now, right? and so to do a doctorate in metaphysics is quite an unusual thing. Like there people like Dr. Joe Vital and lots of people like that who have got a doctorate in metaphysics and, looking at them, writing a books and stuff like that, you're like, okay, that makes sense. But for a young man with no family history, connection to the metaphysical realms, to mediumship, what made you think, oh, I think I'm on a PhD in metaphysics. I.

Rev Dr: 33:55

That that's definitely a story in and of itself. I didn't know you. At the time I had no idea this is something that you can get a degree in or even 'cause it was, it even still today, a little bit, depending on where you are in the world. Metaphysics is considered a pseudoscience a pseudo field. It's not real. It's not official. But if soon, science is slowly proving it otherwise. And that's about the time in my life when I'm like, whoa, what? I could get a degree. And what sparked the whole degree thing was, it was shortly after my divorce and you going through that, those mar it was like, what's wrong with me? What, can't I do this? It just felt bad. It felt like a midlife crisis, yet it wasn't quite midlife and. Thinking that it was, this is all my fault. And that was, at that point, I wouldn't say I was depressed. I was just, I dunno, confused, angry, lost. And it was as though I that, and it was almost like a download. You get this download of information and then suddenly it's not that I, don't, remember ever asking, but it was like the spirit guides or someone the spirit's on the other side are going knock, hello, this is what you need to do. And it was more of a thought and more of a, push. This is the next step. This is what you need to do. And I had that thought I, the moment when I had that, I. Time to just reflect, sit down and just clear the mind. And after the divorce and this, and everything's out of the way and gone I reached out to some friends of mine saying, Hey always had that sh shamanistic, spiritualist old fashioned, traditional who, doist type Shama shamanistic ability and, knowing and memory. And I'm like how can I get, how can I do this? How, what's that next step? And one of my friends is wow, just just go online. I'm like, really? And this stuff is online. I was naive I was like, yeah, I knew the answer. I'm just reaching out for ideas so I can fill the, I. Fill the box so I could pull a ticket and go, yep, this is the winner. So I started searching online and I found one that was actually real close to me here in the state of Florida, here in the United States, and I don't think that was by accident. But I reached out to the dean, we talked, a couple hours goes by, which doesn't normally happen unless you're talking to your girlfriend or boyfriend on the on, on, the telephone, and you just can't let go. But that was the longest conversation I had with somebody that like, literally listened and was like, told me, he's you should be a teacher, you should be an instructor in the program. Some of the the conversations, like things I was explaining, it was like, this is the curriculum and you're, talking about it like, it's like you're one of our instructors. I'm like, okay. So I signed up I, signed up. I I felt I needed to get this information. What is it that I need to remember? It was almost like I needed to remember something build build a library back up. It's almost like the library burned down and I had to build it back up and collect all this data and bring it in and revisit and re-engineer the whole process. So that's pretty much what I did. I, took my time at first. And I sign up, I get all the books and get all, everything printed and all the material and stuff. And I started out in the bachelor's program and I, put it for, put it away aside for a little bit. Basically I went really slow, slower than I should have.

Katische Haberfield: 39:03

Not simple concepts, right? So it takes your brain a while to wrap around it.

Rev Dr: 39:10

And I don't know, it was, I'm not sure how long I put it down for, maybe a few months several months, I don't know. And then all of a sudden it was like, I heard that voice. I don't know what voice it was, who it was, but it was like one of, one of the spirit guides. One of the angels something divine out there. Just went, you're gonna finish this now. You are going to nose to the book. Nose to the paper and boom, finish it up. Yes, sir. And I did, and what should have been a four year program, four to eight year program ended up being just over a year, not quite a year.

Katische Haberfield: 40:15

It's called dedication.

Rev Dr: 40:16

was not just the bachelor's, but that was the master's and then the doctorate. Yeah.

Katische Haberfield: 40:23

That's some serious downloading.

Rev Dr: 40:26

That was really some serious download. But what seemed like it, what it really seemed like was remembering, it was like I'm reading pages to my own auto autobiography. Or just reading the script of a, play that I've already been in many times before and it's just remembering. And I did learn stuff. Great. Not to say, oh yeah, I got this. I, knew this piece of cake. Some of the stuff was hard. Some of the stuff was tricky and some of the stuff was new. Stuff was new information. I'm like, whoa, that's an interesting concept. And then when you get it, you then get it and you're like, then you put your own spin on it and you start to go, wait, there's something else to this. It allowed me to dig in and go, this is something I wanna work on. This specific thing is what I want to concentrate on, or this specific thing. When you get into the quantum, you. We got into the whole quantum A aspect. Quantum yeah, quantum science. Quantum mechanics, quantum physics. And you start looking at the, quantum model of the universe compared to the, standard model of Einstein's. You, wrap your head around that and you're like, whoa. And this was shortly, actually, it wasn't even shortly. This is about a decade after that documentary came out. What the bleep down the rabbit hole. What do you know? And if any, if nobody's, if that

Katische Haberfield: 42:09

that night.

Rev Dr: 42:10

heard it, definitely look it up. What the bleep down the rabbit hole. It's awesome. I think I still have it on VHS, that's how old it is. Or DVD, something like that. But that, when I saw that and comparing this in. Not when I was going through the quantum parts of the course, it, I was like, wait a second. Okay. But then I'm going, what does this relate to consciousness? Where can I bring consciousness into this? And, when the quantum model, then it starts to explain the universe dimensional theory. String theory put spooky action at a distance. And that quantum science can actually prove the existence of telepathy, how that can be done, the existence of mind reading or picking up mediumship, even mediumship, the quantum science field. There's models out there that can prove why this happens and how it happens. That is still today. One of my ongoing research methods and

Katische Haberfield: 43:36

So I was

Rev Dr: 43:36

stuff

Katische Haberfield: 43:36

ask you, did you do a, like a thesis and pick a partic specific topic that you wanted to double down on, and then was that consciousness or because

Rev Dr: 43:47

that, that is to be continued.'cause what happened was during my doctorate, I had the option to write a thesis, which was soon to be rec not recommended. It's not recommended at the time it was recommended, but it wasn't, it, you didn't have to. So instead I did the course on, on, picking a specific thing, writing a little bit about that, and in doing the course coursework

Katische Haberfield: 44:16

Yep.

Rev Dr: 44:17

And, today between the time that this is being recorded, maybe a little bit before that. The time that I take my visit to Mount Shasta is that is the timeline for me to put some of the basic information and some of my research together into a book, which is a sense, a very late thesis.

Katische Haberfield: 44:41

Okay. Okay. Because that's, that sort of answers bit of my question, but doesn't also because when I've known you for a couple of years now but my, question has always been why are you interviewing other people on your podcast instead of teaching people? That was like, my first thing is this dude's got a, PhD in metaphysics. Why is he asking everybody else about

Rev Dr: 45:11

yeah.

Katische Haberfield: 45:11

instead of teaching us?'cause I was like, originally I was like, yeah. I'll, listen to a few of the things, but I wanna hear from him and I'm like, each time I tune in. Yeah. Like that. That's my thing is it's I wanna hear from you Paul. I don't wanna hear from you guests. I'm sorry to all the guests. They're all fascinating. Interesting. But that's I wanna hear your insight. That's, what and that's why I tune into the paranormal stuff and the investigation stuff.'cause I'm like, okay, let me see now if I can get a piece of his mind. Because that's the interesting part is it's if you feel like you've come in and you've done had to do this PhD to connect with who you were previously and you've already got it, I'm like, lay it out. Let me hear it. I wanna learn. Do you know? It's

Rev Dr: 45:55

Yeah.

Katische Haberfield: 45:55

the, I've learned, grabbed all my metaphysical knowledge through other people's podcasts and reading books and I will, I. Ask my guides and particularly the archangels, and they'll explain something to me, and then it's like in one ear and out the other. And then I'll be like, thinking, thinking, thinking. I'm like, oh, that explains it now. And they're like, that's right. And you can ask us again. And we don't know why you forget it, but you can completely forget it. And it doesn't make any sense to you because you have to experience it. That's what the way you are as ish, you have to experience it to get the the knowledge. Because otherwise we would have you sitting at a desk for a million years whereas

Rev Dr: 46:42

Yeah,

Katische Haberfield: 46:44

I was trying to get some have you read this book, vibrational Medicine?

Rev Dr: 46:50

no, but it does sound.

Katische Haberfield: 46:52

this is an amazing book. And he was killed. Yeah. And I like I, it's all about. The body and how consciousness comes in and how to use your body to connect. And I like highlight and underline and I go back to it time and time again and they're like, yeah, if you open that book now, the answer's there. And I'm like, oh yeah, I forgot I, for and forgot. I knew that. then I'll apply it to something that's happened with a client or whatever. I'm like, oh shit, doing that that makes sense now but sometimes you can read it in a book. The, conspiracy theory for you, there you go. Is something to do with the pharmaceutical industry. Killed him.

Rev Dr: 47:40

Ah, that makes sense. Yes. Almost like the conspiracy with Malaysian flight. Something that one that disappeared.

Katische Haberfield: 47:48

Oh, yeah. I'm not around that, but yeah, he was a me he was a medical doctor, but this was supposed to be it's amazing. Like it's just an amazing book and yeah, he was mysteriously killing.

Rev Dr: 48:02

Wow.

Katische Haberfield: 48:03

But yeah, so that's why I'm like sometimes you can read it, but then you need to I need to hear it from somebody else as well. Do you know what I mean? And then I'm like, ah, okay. He said it this way, and here's an example of how it's coming to my life. And here's an example about how it's coming to their life. Now I get it. Now I've got the full pictures. Like otherwise I could fill up a million notebooks and be like can you tell it to me one more time? It's it's not as easy for me as it is for you with that download. So I'm like, all okay.

Rev Dr: 48:32

Yeah.

Katische Haberfield: 48:33

just like, yeah, you can tell me that 45 times and then I'll eventually get it. but for some known reason I forget it really quickly as well.

Rev Dr: 48:44

So the question being like why, am I why, do I continue to do the podcast and be the host and not be on the other side of the microphone? There's two of them. But be on be on the other side of the thing is I I don't know. I dunno. But at the same time, I do know there, but I don't know yet.

Katische Haberfield: 49:12

Yep.

Rev Dr: 49:12

we, the quantum aspect of it

Katische Haberfield: 49:14

Yep.

Rev Dr: 49:16

I, when I originally started the podcast, this was shortly after my doctorate, and when Spirit came to me and said, I still remember it today. It was like literally overnight. It was like, you need to have a radio show. And I'm like, what do you, what? When Spirit tells you something and you get that thought and you get that epiphany and you know that it. It must be done. It's build it and they will come. Okay. What does that mean? I don't know. Just do it. So when you do it, And I knew it was supposed to be, I knew it was supposed to be because it shouldn't have been that easy if it wasn't otherwise. Meaning that the people in my life, the people that I associated with at that time were the perfect individuals to be the soldiers in that, mission. Meaning that one of the guys in my church at the time, the Chapel of Spiritual

Light he was a radio host, actual 4: 50:21

00 am FM radio, and he was a dj and he technician, he knows all this stuff. Perfect and not that a really good host. And he helped set it up. Like within a month from the idea to the actual launching the show like was less than a month boom. And, out there, and I, that's a project I something is telling me not to give up on it, still be there, but just don't give up on it and create, creating a community of other practitioners from many different fields. So it's as I'm in the process of building my own curriculum, my own teachings my own work is at, on the sidelines, building this network and this community of practitioners all over the world, maybe different planets, I don't know. Stay tuned. You might find out. And so that way I. Whenever that time is, whenever that is, and that next big thing happens in the work, in my research, the people are there ready to carry on the rest of the work

Katische Haberfield: 51:56

Yeah,

Rev Dr: 51:57

Or building on it and, to start working with it

Katische Haberfield: 52:02

Yeah, see, because I get this distinct feeling and again, you can call bullshit as well, but because your journey parallels mine in some ways and it's totally different. We started our podcast within a few weeks of each other.

Rev Dr: 52:15

really.

Katische Haberfield: 52:16

yeah. What I find interesting is that so I, with all due respects to all my s guests, I only interview them once a year. And you were on last time that I interview guests. And why do I only interview them once a year? Because I find it interesting and fascinating and I need that social stimulation. That intellectual conversation, but it distracts from my work if you wanna know the truth of it, meaning that, my guides keep telling me. Right. You need to teach now. And I'm like no, I don't know enough. And then they're like, okay, you have done 13 seasons on your podcast and you've got to 20 episodes per season sometimes, twelves. Now we want you to take those case studies 'cause people know that they've already written on your podcast. They're frustrated because you're showing them the real life of evidence. And now they wanna be taught. And I'm like, it's too complex. It's I could draw you a million diagrams and we'll go around in circles. They're like, take a one case study at a time, but you need to extrapolate this because it makes sense to you and it doesn't make sense to them. The world still doesn't believe in reincarnation. It starts somewhere simple. People don't believe in ghosts. And how many million hours of footage do you have? Lots. How much words of books have you written on ghosts already? A hundred thousand. Yeah. Okay. They're like, we'll start with one of those things. And I feel like it's very similar for you and it's paul, stop interviewing people. Do it once a year or twice a year if you have to, and start doing your own content. And

Rev Dr: 53:49

Yeah.

Katische Haberfield: 53:50

will be on the sideline and they'll come. But you need to take the leap of faith first start doing it. Even if it's for me, it's I'm like, okay, today I've got you. And then I've got one other person and then I'm done for season 13 and they're like, hi, can we keep writing now? And I'm like I dunno. And they're like Paul's got a season on ghosts coming up. Do you wanna have your book written by then? I'm like it's not that simple, is it? They're like do you know

Rev Dr: 55:02

Yeah.

Katische Haberfield: 55:03

That feels like I get frustrated myself, but I also and as I said, take this as you feel. I get frustrated for you because I'm like I don't, I see the community thing as something on the side Will come naturally once you start. Teaching the stuff that you need to show.

Rev Dr: 55:24

Me, I'm frustrated too. There's some, there's something holding me back and it's it's not the right time. It's not the right time. And then just recently it's okay, let's start moving forward.

Katische Haberfield: 55:39

Yeah, And you have to, there's so much that you've gotta left let go of. And I have two more questions 'cause I know we're running outta time, so might be a bit longer than I think it is. And I'll just cut short my break in between my interviews. But there's two other things that I wanted to understand about you and sorry, it does feel like this paranormal investigation into the mind of you. But I think that it just appeals to people who are listening to this podcast because they're trying to understand different components of themselves and why I do what I do and why I do the people I do. can you explain the priesthood bit to me why, how, and how it links in with stuff. And the second bit. Be then into why did you go into paranormal investigations? But firstly, I guess I wanted to understand not being a I grew up as a a church going child, and then I said, I've had enough dad. And he said, fine. Done. But why priesthood? How does it, has being a reverend impact on your daily life? is being a reverend in your world? Because if you said this is a reverend, people would have a certain image in their head, and I, don't know what being a reverend is for you. What does it actually involve and why do you do it?

Rev Dr: 57:04

yeah, and see that's the thing. People refer Reverend traditionally in the sense of the Roman Catholic Church otherwise any other religion that's either a rabbi or but reverend is not necessarily in the traditional sense, no, I'm not that type of reverend.

Katische Haberfield: 57:22

Okay.

Rev Dr: 57:23

I don't show up to the a Catholic church every Sunday and do sermons. No spirit, a spiritualist minister pretty much is, the best way to categorize it.

Katische Haberfield: 57:37

I don't even know what that is.

Rev Dr: 57:41

So it's basically any other type of church. It's non-denominational. If you're religious, you believe in something spiritual. There's got, it's all spiritual but a spiritualist church, especially in the United States compared to the UK or, the European version of it, which is originally where it started. But here in the states and Western society, modern spiritualism is about to connect our belief in spirit. Infinite intelligence. A God also believes in Christ. And all religions, basically all of it. It's the whole ball wax, all of it. And, the continuation of consciousness and communication with the other side, and not only getting in with my, the. Curriculum with my degree work was and the work that we did through there, you had to be ordained through through that church. So that was my first ordination. And then I moved and had the opportunity to get into the oral mal kedi. And with the work I was doing the th that ordination was, presented to me. And I'm like, awesome. I, and through the ordination 'cause through the church as well, the spiritualist church that I was with, if you were ordained through that church Chapel of spiritual light, that was also through the order of, and, but having it just prior to that, realizing it's the same order. What? I'm like, whoa, things started to make sense. And. Starting to lose thought in the original question.

Katische Haberfield: 59:40

You, I was trying to understand what being a reverend is in comparison to the traditional idea of standing at a pulpit leaving a church service. What does it mean to you and what do you do as a reverend? What does what is it?

Rev Dr: 59:54

yeah.

Katische Haberfield: 59:54

trying to fit all the pieces together.

Rev Dr: 59:57

Yes. I also was in that, in at the podium every Sunday during church service for at least not quite a year as the interim pastor of the chapel spiritual light after the passing of Reverend Bangkok. And yeah, just leading, the congregation, helping lead the church in service every day. Spiritual prayer. We'd have, guests that would come in from outside the church and present a, specific lecture. On something within spiritualism, and then at the end of the service is when you have the group mediumship session to where the guest speaker of for that weekend would, give readings to everybody in in the congregation or those who wanted it. So because that was some of the decorum that I learned through mediumship as a spirit a student spiritualist or a student medium, those were the things that we had to go through as a student medium here and western spiritual here in the States for that through that program. It was it was part of it you, would show up for church on Sunday. It, and that, it felt to me like a seminary, but in a different sense. And every week we'd have the classes sit in a circle, but at being, but as far as, I'm getting off topic a little bit, but as far as the ship, yeah. The as a minister in a sense yeah it gave me the opportunity to teach spiritualism to understand it more work with other ministers in it, and being the organizer and giving people the opportunity to find themselves and the spiritually healed them or spiritually give them advice, readings. And then that's what led into the whole Claremont paranormal thing. It was actually just before that, that I had already gotten into it. If you want me to lead into that. Really quick.

Katische Haberfield: 1:02:31

wanted to check first how you're going for time, whether you've got a broadcast going

Rev Dr: 1:02:34

I'm good.

Katische Haberfield: 1:02:35

or You're right.

Rev Dr: 1:02:36

Ah,

Katische Haberfield: 1:02:36

Yeah. Yeah. And before you do get into that, the reason why I wanted to clarify that is because for me, I had never, and this is just my naivety, but I had never associated spiritualism with being a religion. And that's one of the things I got out of listening to Reverend Benko in that series that you had because being in Australia, it's quite different for us over here. And until last week I didn't even know that we had a spiritualist church in Brisbane and

Rev Dr: 1:03:04

I.

Katische Haberfield: 1:03:04

was near me and that I had walked past it before because I just thought spiritualism groups of people who came together to do the mediumship at seance and the table tipping part. Like I didn't get the, fact that it was a religion and that you explored. I just thought, when I see church and I see religion, I think of the bible or whatever book you have. And I think of hymns and I think of formal structures and pews and delivering a sermon and being very serious and then going have scones and cup of tea afterwards. I don't see, and then maybe you might go to bible class if you wanna study it, but I didn't, don't see it as examination of consciousness or it is understanding yourself. My son goes to, bible studies he's different from me, but he learns through that. But I didn't associate spiritualism with that framework that I had in my mind about a church or a religion. So that's why I asked the question.

Rev Dr: 1:04:10

And then, yeah. And spiritualism in itself is it's all one of, and many is. The main, things are, like Reverend Ben had mentioned too is re spiritualism is not just a religion or can be a religion, but it's a philosophy as well as a science. And with the work that he has done in, in, that he had done in his lifetime. And I. Some of the work that I had done with him, some of the, I wouldn't, they're not experiments, but investigations. I wanted to do an in an investigation and also a research thing with him about the the skull group experiments from back in the, UK back in the seventies and eighties. And repeating those. Never got a chance to do that. He had passed away before, before we moved forward. And

Katische Haberfield: 1:05:15

I had About that.

Rev Dr: 1:05:16

that was the science that I wanted to do. That was the stuff.'cause he was so interested in it. He was so interested in the science aspect of spiritualism. He wanted, even though he was a traditional spiritualist, there was a scientific part of him and a scholar. The best scholar I've known and been able to personally learn from, so interested in the science aspect of it. He's even though he didn't want to and myself there's a part of your, there's a part of your belief, whether it's religion or not, that you wanna hold on to the traditional aspect and not get your blown away, mind blown away. And then your whole reality of it crumbles. But there was a part of him that wanted the scientific explanation of why this phenomenon exists. But I think we all kind of wanna know that.

Katische Haberfield: 1:06:26

Yeah, and it's a good explanation because the Dalai Lama says that Buddhism, for example, which a lot of people do explore a bit when they're trying to understand metaphysics and all sorts of different realms and things is Buddhist science, Buddhist philosophy, and then Buddhist religion. And he the D Army is trying to say it's if there is a Budd Buddhist religion, but there's also these other investigations as well and philosophies. So I can now understand that when you parallel those, I'm like, oh, okay. Yeah.'cause I get the three components of Buddhism, so now I get the Budd, the, that there's three components of spiritualism. So that makes more sense to me. Thanks.

Rev Dr: 1:07:06

Yeah, And then when you, look at in a traditional sense, say the Roman Catholic Church is there a science aspect of the religion? Yeah, maybe. It's probably hidden. I. You have the mystical aspects of Christianity. There is a mysticism to it. That was really cool too when I got into spiritualism. Learning that, learning about the science of the Bible the metaphysical aspects of the Bible in some of the stories and not stories, but the context in, and of itself as a whole, as a astro theological literary hybrid of what could have truly taken place in the past truly really did happen based on scientific evidence that is now starting to come out, going, wait a second. And not only that, but the real evidence written in the ancient Sumerian texts which has always been another study of mine, is archeology and para archeology and anthropology. Taking all of the science and archeology and history and bringing it together to explain what really happened. What is the human species? Where did we originate from? Who we, who are we really? And the whole spiritual aspect of it is consciousness. Oh my.

Katische Haberfield: 1:08:46

so Paran paranormal investigation then leads in off there because I guess what was the first thing that got you into it? Was it an experience that you had that made you think, or was it this working with Spiritualist Church and with Reverend Cox's insight and interest in proving things that made you go? Yeah I'm interested in proving things as well, and I, wanna get in investigations because it when I look at the stuff that you do on the podcast, there's there's this aspect. So when I see you go and do paranormal investigations, you are the investigator, right? You don't ever go, do you ever go and is the medium?'cause you always bring in

Rev Dr: 1:09:29

No, I,

Katische Haberfield: 1:09:30

Yeah.

Rev Dr: 1:09:31

there was only one. There's only one occasion I went in as a medium, especially when it comes to collecting the ev When it comes to actual, the forensic aspect of it. Science and forensic aspect. I couldn't come in. I'd either have to come in as one of the, but only one. One. I came in as a medium. But that wasn't even really a case. It wasn't a documented case that we added to the file. I was helping a friend out, but case manager first, yes. Okay. I, if somebody reports it, it's obviously gonna have to come to me. I have to gather that evidence. I have no choice. So as I'm getting all this information I'm getting the the client credibility reports. I'm pulling all the data in order to start the, investigation to first investigate the clients, first invest, investigate them. What's their where are they from, what's their heritage? What's their religion? If they have one? What's what's their lifestyle? What type of career do they everything.'cause that can then determine the psychological makeup and profile of the person as well, or the clients or the family as a whole.'cause that's all part of the recipe of, I feel, any paranormal investigation. Because certain events are very specific to the client or the person who's experiencing the event or the anomalous phenomenon.'cause it's first anomalous at first.'cause we don't know. It might be, something based on their reality, but it's not really per perceived by anybody else or could be perceived by anybody else. So we, for, I started p Claremont Paranormal originally as. Still today it's not as active, but is to truly help the clients. We're not there for this fame, this being in the spotlight and alum light. It wasn't that. It was never about that. That's what kind of sparked it. I was always interested in watching these ghost shows and stuff like that. Always that was always cool to watch. But there was something bigger than that. It's something bigger. It's not the sensationalism. It was about helping people learning.

Katische Haberfield: 1:12:16

Why did you choose to develop an investigation? Society, is it because of the way that your mind works rather than being the medium? Because you can be the medium and just help and clear the ghost. For example, if ghosts are won one aspect or you could have gone and, done any kind of studies with the like the, releasement stuff that I do. You, so you have these skill sets, but I was just wondering why did you choose the investigative, the case file approach, or why did that draw to, you more than say the mediumship side?

Rev Dr: 1:12:56

It was, that was first that was the first part of it was the inve, the paranormal investigation. And then, because I started at, what was it? It was what? 20? Yeah. 20, 20 12, 20 14. I've done it. I've done it aside with other people before then in implementing these skills and, some of my approaches before Claremont Paranormal there a lot of the, most of the cases I did it was kind like I was working on two frequencies coming in as being there as the case manager and getting everybody involved and bringing in whoever I needed at the time when it came to the documenting me, pulling the documentation together for a specific case. At the same time, I would be gathering what I'm feeling going, Hey, what's this? And I would bring that forward and let you know during a time of the investigation where it wouldn't be. Interfere or be a conflict of interest or the evidence, basically you didn't want to taint evidence. So it was usually after we, after wrapping up and bringing forward and presenting the official data, it was then that I would go in and, or come in and work with the people and say, this is also what I feel is part of the correction, the the resolve. And then getting with the medium as well that would that would be working the case and say, this is what I felt, this is what I came up with and envisioned or saw or felt or, got. What do you feel? Do you think that And most of the time the information was all, it was all corroborating, it all corroborated with each other. And that also it gave me the, i, that is when I started realizing that the mediumship aspect was also aside for me to start building on. And that's when I came in as a a student medium with the chapel of spiritual life going, yeah, there's something more to this.

Katische Haberfield: 1:15:40

Yeah, and so you don't have to answer this, but. When people hire people, use you for a paranormal investigation. See, my business background goes, I'm hoping they're paying you, but then there's this whole collective societal thing that goes you can't charge for that sort of thing. Do you actually get paid for all that time?'cause you're in there for overnight or a couple of days or a whole weekend. Do they, pay you to do that or is that like a, calmer, a service, spiritual service, A karma clearing kind of

Rev Dr: 1:16:11

Yeah.

Katische Haberfield: 1:16:11

for you.

Rev Dr: 1:16:12

Yeah, it's definitely a service. It's a free service. I, we've, I've never charged for an investigation. It could go on, I think the longest one was about four weeks, but it wasn't like a full four. Oh my God. You were standing there for a month? No,

Katische Haberfield: 1:16:32

Yeah.

Rev Dr: 1:16:33

Absolutely not. What it is, like we'd go for, we'd go for a weekend I. Show up one weekend, we're there overnight into the next morning, sometimes the next night, and then do it all over again the next weekend. But yeah, we would charge for it and everybody on the group and that's what's so awesome about this field is people, whether you're a technician, you're into the science and you're just a technician or you're just a medium and you're not in for, the science. Like some of my crew members or past crew members, 'cause I've had many different ones. And they were all in it for the same reason. They weren't there for the money. They were there because that was in their heart. They did it. They did it from the soul. They did it because they loved it. They did it because they knew it was for the highest and best. It was for giving back, being of service, being of spiritual service ecclesiastical service service to mankind in general. It was something that pe we knew people needed it It need. So it's a need. Almost like healthcare. Imagine if we had free healthcare. Wow. That would be great.

Katische Haberfield: 1:18:07

yeah. But I get it, but I also don't get it, so you'll have to forgive me for because as I've done my own spiritual service in the ghost that I've had to cross over.

Rev Dr: 1:18:20

Yeah,

Katische Haberfield: 1:18:21

Know.

Rev Dr: 1:18:21

know why you don't get it.'cause you're going why, are you doing free?

Katische Haberfield: 1:18:27

Because I've now drawn the line, right? have now personally drawn the line. And so yes, if I am going past an ambulance and somebody has just died and they need help or there's somebody still in that ambulance from last night or whatever, I start crying and I know what's happening in that ambulance, and I will take them to the archangels and we will go to the light with them. And that's my spiritual service. If I walk into a cemetery and there's people still there because I happen to be going for a walk and I've walked past the cemetery, I will cross them over to the light and that is the spiritual service. But I've now said myself, just spent five years basically almost. Halftime crossing over ghosts there's a limit and I now have drawn the line and I now charge for it because I now charge for house clearing. I now charge to, to teach people how to cross crossover ghost. I now do meditations for them and then I have upgraded my spirit, releasement therapy to sort therapy. And I'm like, I've got to the point where it's like I have to eat I can be a spiritual service being to, to the extent where I become, nothing but air and it has to stop now because I could do this forever and they will bring me them forever. But they're like, need you to work out your beliefs in regards to this. And I have put things on my website and I've deleted them and deleted almost my entire website about a two weeks ago. And they said, you've gotta surrender now. And they're like, you have to let all of these things go. And I went, delete delete, delete. There's nothing left. And they're like, right now you just need to see it. And now you need to wait until you know it's time to put things back on and we will give you the upgrade to put it back on. So yes, in the last few days I've been like, oh, for god's sake, here we go again. it back on. And they're like, are you ready for the upgrade? I'm like, right now you're type in what we want you to type in. So there's part of me that goes, that's really nice of you to do that, Paul, but have you finished you know, guess I get this, you can see, feel it agitated in my voice where. I do get that everyone has their own spiritual service and they're, they clear their own karma and they do work for the community. And there should always be that, right? Because people can't afford it all the time. But I also get the point where it's at what point will the spiritual community say, I need to eat as well? Or do we wanna keep, locking each other in this cycle of, okay, you need to go and be a postman or a shopkeeper, or an accountant or an architect to earn a living and then we are gonna burn you out so that every weekend and every evening you're doing this stuff for free for people and you are what I would call God given gift, is actually the stuff that you're doing for free. And is somebody gonna be brave enough to say, stop, now charging for this. I'm gonna give up this other thing and I'm gonna do what I, call my of genius. And it's the same with my channeling that I've got on the website now. There's part of me that goes, ah like Why would, I charge for that? And they're like, you are gonna put this figure in and you're gonna, it's gonna be really uncomfortable for you. sure, you might not only get one or two clients until you get comfortable enough with it, and then God help you. You're gonna be really, busy and you won't know what's hit you. But you

Rev Dr: 1:21:55

Oh yeah.

Katische Haberfield: 1:21:55

have cleared all these beliefs. I'm not saying it's your path too, but I'm just trying to explain my path, which is you if I was a house owner and I a lot of paranormal stuff come in, would I wanna pay somebody for it? And the answer would be if I could, yes. Why wouldn't I? Like it's a professional service

Rev Dr: 1:22:16

We would accept donation. We wouldn't say this is free actually. We usually say, we don't charge for this. That's normally they know. And most of the clients knew that we didn't charge for it.

Katische Haberfield: 1:22:28

Yeah.

Rev Dr: 1:22:29

But there, there were some reciprocal offerings at the end of the investigation. They we'd all get the case would get a lump sum 120, a couple bucks here and there and stuff like that. And or the client would like, buy us lunch, would show up and buy us lunch. So you'd have all these little things happening, but yeah, granted in a general sense. I, too, for other items like the house clearings I would charge for a house clearing too, and normally I would and have in the past very specific things would be added to that eventually. But as an overall. In general, the, in the investigation, the case itself is done pretty much at no cost.

Katische Haberfield: 1:23:24

Yeah. Okay. Because yeah it, and it comes back to my question. When I first met you on online by your podcast, I was like this is an interesting fell. Let me go on his website and see what does he charge for? And I'm like, it's just a podcast. There's nothing here that you can buy.

Rev Dr: 1:23:42

Yeah.

Katische Haberfield: 1:23:43

That's just part of the journey because that's what, you know when you come on podcasts. I've got a lot of podcasts now. People are like that was interesting. How can I work with them? And a lot of the times it's fine. It's just no, you can't work with me. I'm writing a book, or I don't do that anymore. I just do speaking tours. Or I just have a podcast. There are people that go. you've got that affiliation with the Order of Exorcist for like serious cases. It's okay, there, I got an idea. Now if I, feel like I'm possessed, I can click on that link and Paul will refer me to somebody else who will, if I live in America or wherever and I'm checked out and there is a case investigation into me, that's how I can get some help. But yeah it's just sometimes I ask questions because if somebody's listening, they're like, yeah, I really feel this connection and this calling to know more about Paul and I don't think it's got to do with the podcast. I'm like, how can I work with you? You can't unless you live in nearly said Philadelphia. That's interesting. In Florida. Yeah. So anyway, I just wanted to clear that up for the podcast listeners because, you don't offer mediumship publicly and you don't offer paranormal investigations unless it's part of, is the Claremont society still active? There's,

Rev Dr: 1:25:01

Um, yeah I guess so. It's kinda like this. Thing happening in the background here in like an emergency triage set.

Katische Haberfield: 1:25:12

Okay. Yep. Yep.

Rev Dr: 1:25:15

but yeah, I I don't, I don't have the website anymore. But it is on, there is a portion of the Conscious Radio Network website. I think it's that last page or something like that says Claremont Paranormal. So I added everything in there and brought that, keeping it Alive which is one we did the last one Howie in the Hills in investigation when we stayed overnight to just capture, data, see what we can capture, do some question asking and stuff. And that was more like a fun project that was, 'cause the house wasn't, was being sold, it's still actually for sale. And what the woman who actually owns it and. Brought us on board and said, Hey, I just wanna see what you can find. This is my experience in the house, and I just wanna know if there are some active spirits that that are still residing.

Katische Haberfield: 1:26:19

For her and for people that get your help, it's probably I just wanna check that I'm not going insane. You're like

Rev Dr: 1:26:25

yeah.

Katische Haberfield: 1:26:25

there's something here that I can't explain. I need somebody else to just listen to me And,

Rev Dr: 1:26:30

And sometimes in what some of these investigations we, were picking up some stuff that you know, and here's the thing too, is at this point during the investigation, it was like a open source type thing. It was like, all right, everybody is free reign. You can do whatever you want.'cause nothing, none of this information was actually going to really be official. We just wanted to see what we could find. And soon as I got onto the property, it was like I knew something. There was, I knew something happened down at the lake. That was the very first thing that came in my mind. I'm like, something happened at the lake. You're gonna have to ask that question. It was about a block, and a half away from a really big lake. And the house is a little over, I think, to as of today. It's definitely over, over a hundred years old. And through the course of the night, we gathered quite a bit of interesting information. The question, 'cause we don't know, there's a, an interesting historical significance about that city And wanted to know if it was true.

Katische Haberfield: 1:27:50

Yeah. Yeah. And it for me, myself, I have to remind myself constantly. It's like there are people you know that don't even ex believe still. Yeah. About the existence of life after death. Whereas I get to this point, it's like you've been through this intense five years to the point where you're like, duh. And you have made these assumptions now and this, knowledge jump you have to remind yourself. Of course, it's obvious to you and you know what's there and why and in an instant. But the rest of the world still needs to have it proved because they haven't moved their belief to that. And as they always say to me, my father said, patience is the word for you in this lifetime. And I'm like, but I'm running out of patience.

Rev Dr: 1:28:39

Yeah.

Katische Haberfield: 1:28:40

You know what I mean? So I do have to remind myself of the time. Yeah. No.

Rev Dr: 1:28:44

And it's also too, at the same time, on the flip side of that's why, I think too evidential, mediumship is really important.'cause in, in most cases, nobody's a a lot of people, like you said, are asking for proof. Wow, I know you say that, but I need proof. I need to see it. I need to know about it. I'm like in some cases you just, you can't there's no way to prove it. Which is why evidential, mediumship is really cool because you get the proof as a medium that, yeah. I would've never known about that. But you proved me to me that it was real, that it, that, in other words, I'm giving like say, and I'm sure it happens to you all the time, is. A client comes to you, they wanna they want a reading, and then you give them information that you wouldn't have ever possibly known about them ever. And you give them information and they like, are like, what? How did you know that? You give them enough detail and they go, okay, I don't need any proof. I know this is real. I know that there's something more to this that as a medium why you would know information about somebody you've never met. But that's the information that we get as mediums. That's the information that, that's what's really cool about this phenomenon of psychical research. Is it quantum science maybe? And that's, yeah, that's what's so cool about it. And sometimes that I. That comes up during paranormal investigations where we have to visit things on a, an interesting level. But at the same time, trying to pull enough proof, like you your thermal cameras and you're doing a thermal imaging imagery, video capture of the environment. Wow. This phenomenon while we're waiting for the phenomenon to happen. That's what's so boring about paranormal investigations is you're aware waiting, you're waiting for phenomenon to happen or trying to get it to happen. Sometimes you can't. Sometimes they just don't wanna play with us,

Katische Haberfield: 1:31:22

yeah, and they can be elsewhere too because,

Rev Dr: 1:31:24

Yeah.

Katische Haberfield: 1:31:24

what I've discovered in my ghost interactions is that there's like a triangulation whereby they ping from trauma point to trauma point or physical location where they had intense emotional experiences. Like I've crossed over a girl who was murdered at, in the far suburbs Sanford, but she was murdered by one of the inmates. He wasn't an inmate at the time, he was her gardener. and he was the last person hanged in Queensland, I think, and even Australia. And he was in incarcerated and hung at BOGO Road Jail, which is just near my house. And,

Rev Dr: 1:32:01

Wow. Okay.

Katische Haberfield: 1:32:02

I was driving along the road when she tried to strangle me. And she wasn't she wasn't, meaning to strangle me, but she's trying to get my attention. And I was like, who is this? Why are they here? And when I went back after learning how to cross them over properly, found him exactly at the same point. I crossed him over together. She asked me specifically, let him go first, Ernest. But why was she pinging back there? Because her energy is comically attached to him through the ACA chords. And so she was, murdered by him out in Sanford on a wave home. And he, I've actually, in my, the book that I'm writing, I got him from the afterlife and he is told me his perspective on what happened that day. so their energy was attached at the same point. Both Sanford and at Bogo Road. And because I was driving past and she could see my energy, she came in at the car to get my attention. And I had a physical reaction even with my kids in the car and I couldn't breathe. And when I crossed her over, I crossed him over as well, first. So anyway, my point was that they can be there, but they also can be elsewhere. that's why I, in my perspective, why I would be like yeah, you, I have to wait for the interaction because you're waiting for their consciousness to finish figuring out, how did I die? What's the energy over here? They, it's like the, ghosts do their life review in the realm of

Rev Dr: 1:33:38

Yeah.

Katische Haberfield: 1:33:38

stuck. And so they've gotta figure out what was happening over here in Sanford? And then why am I sometimes at BOGO Road Jail? It's, quite complicated. So I can understand how they can be nothing there.'cause they're actually elsewhere.

Rev Dr: 1:33:50

Yep. And then sometimes too, we're picking up residual energy, like the memory, what the me

Katische Haberfield: 1:33:55

what I mean, the memory. Yeah. Yeah.

Rev Dr: 1:33:56

So memories are those energies are residual. They sit there and they just, I dunno, it's, we always leave parts of ourselves everywhere we go,

Katische Haberfield: 1:34:10

Yeah.

Rev Dr: 1:34:13

it happens. It's, a really cool phenomenon. But but yeah, it when we do that in in, in investigations, we can pull. We'll try new things too. It's like we, we add certain things to an investigation if we can if it doesn't offend or interfere with any of the in investigations that are client led or client client o client specific. Except for the last one, which was, we did have a client, but it was like full rain and that was fun. That was like really cool because there was residual energy in that house. There wasn't, I I don't want to give too much information way because I'm not sure what the sensitivity of the case is because of some of the stuff we did pick up. But. The we, were getting some information that the property was used for other purposes in in, in the past. And some of the information that I got was not from spirit in general, it was from the residual energy. But then I was also working on some information and some the energies that were coming in from the other medium that came in during the case. And she was doing her readings and she was using some of the technology as well. We were all using voice recorders. I used, I was operating the thermal camera and somebody else was using a regular video camera and just sitting there capturing some information, and I'm like, all right, let's see what we can get. I'm just sitting there, like I said, it's boring 'cause you're just waiting for something to happen.

Katische Haberfield: 1:36:16

Yep.

Rev Dr: 1:36:17

And I captured heat signatures that were very significantly changing in the room next door.

Katische Haberfield: 1:36:28

Yeah.

Rev Dr: 1:36:29

And I can see it through the hallway and through the doorway that you can see an, you can see an entity or the energy temperature shift to move across the room.

Katische Haberfield: 1:36:38

Yeah.

Rev Dr: 1:36:38

And there's nobody in there,

Katische Haberfield: 1:36:40

Yeah.

Rev Dr: 1:36:41

nobody.

Katische Haberfield: 1:36:44

Yeah. Fascinating. It's, it is fascinating and yeah, like the proof there does does make it fascinating as well. Yeah it's mind boggling and as you said there's all these things that help us capture the proof for the people so that they understand. But yeah, it's also the history of the land and it's the history of the house and there's there's plenty of energy there that contributes to the people's experience whilst they're living in that house that catapult their experience because they chose to live in that house, for example. That's got nothing to do with trauma that they experienced. So let's just say they got murdered in that house or whatever. The stuff that goes

Rev Dr: 1:37:31

And some people

Katische Haberfield: 1:37:33

Contributes to it.

Rev Dr: 1:37:34

and some people won't experience anything. I've I've run into and worked with clients and an and others. Investigators that you'll have one family that's lived in that house, but then when some other family moves in, nothing ever happens to 'em. They don't, one, one family will experience something, but the other won't, which in most cases, in part, pretty much every case, every single paranormal investigation case, the majority of the phenomenon where there's some portion of the, experiences that happen in that house, or the phenomenon in and of itself is most of the time stems from the human agent

Katische Haberfield: 1:38:31

Right.

Rev Dr: 1:38:32

in relation to the human agent. So that's why the inspection or the inspection investigation starts first with the client. Then we can go, oh, this is why it's happening.

Katische Haberfield: 1:38:47

Yeah.

Rev Dr: 1:38:49

Sometimes you don't need an in an actual investigation, bring in all the toys and stuff like that, or the medium 'cause you go, you need to see a doctor first. You need to go see psychiatrist or a psychologist or drug rehab. So that, those portions of, the co, of the inspe or the, investigation or case start first, same thing goes with exorcism. Exorcisms are never just done exorcisms. Take a extensive amount of time to prove otherwise.'cause you just don't do an exorcism on somebody. There's no way that you do not do that. If there is an extensive medical background, you gotta go through, you've gotta give over a lot of information to the case managers and the church. In order for us to investigate an actual, if an exorcism actually really needs to be done, we gotta look at so many different aspects of the, person and they were to the family and see, okay, is some of our evidence coming in right now proving that it's a a demonic infestation? Is it a demonic oppression or is it a demonic possession? And there's some clients that back out completely. I've heard some of in some ca in some cases, not all of them. Quite a few cases where they stop communication, they break, they just break the thread from the case and they're like I, don't wanna move forward. Is it because of fear? You get caught falsifying evidence? I don't know. I.

Katische Haberfield: 1:40:54

If somebody's gonna say to you, and I understand because with the sort therapy, the Quantum, which I talked to you about on your podcast, which was then called Quantum Cell Therapy and Spirit Releasement Therapy, you you're not here to de deal with clinically diagnosed conditions. Do you know what I mean? It's, that's there's specific professionals for that. But then also there's this segment of society who have been what I would call, and have to be very careful here, misdiagnosed as being psychotic or something when they're actually having an intense entity experience that is causing the, psychosis. So it's like the entities and the beings around them. Create the delusions and the questioning of mind, which can, if not helped, turn into a mental health disease or a full breakdown a psychosis. They end up in a mental health institution where it gets worse because then they're surrounded by other people who've got that as well. So I can understand why somebody might go, you're not believing me. I'm gonna go, you know

Rev Dr: 1:42:09

Yeah.

Katische Haberfield: 1:42:10

Don't ask me if you don't trust me, I'm going to, and I'm gonna go and it's, one of

Rev Dr: 1:42:16

Sad thing.

Katische Haberfield: 1:42:17

delicate areas.

Rev Dr: 1:42:19

It's a sad thing that, that it happens here in, in the States in specific, I'm not sure how, what the legal recourses and repercussions could be or implications on, in investigations like this at this level.'cause I know I, in, in here, in the States, you can get sued. Someone can sue you and, you're done. Your repetition's done. Your life is done. You're just, but what do you do? It's almost like you are held, really held accountable for malpractice. And is it a malpractice? I dunno. I if you get in a traditional sense, I don't think it's malpractice. If, somebody was truly possessed there are some signs, there are some signs to look for and go, whoa. Yeah. Yes. That's a real possession. If you're, if you can get to a point to actually see a person in the state of possession and actually experience that state yeah, I would definitely perform an exorcism. But then there has been cases of that where they were also tried in the judicial system like the the exorcism of Rose. That was the very first case that the church was held accountable

Katische Haberfield: 1:43:58

Okay.

Rev Dr: 1:43:59

for criminal charges Because she ended up did dying

Katische Haberfield: 1:44:05

Yeah.

Rev Dr: 1:44:06

do, did die, because of the exorcism,

Katische Haberfield: 1:44:10

Wow. Okay. Yeah I don't, know that case, but yeah it's such a, I said I don't do exorcisms and I'm not trained in that area. That's a whole nother level of darkness, but,

Rev Dr: 1:44:21

don't personally do them. I don't personally do them. I, as an affiliate clergy member to perform and, assist in the helping of performing the, in the investigation,

Katische Haberfield: 1:44:36

Yeah. But

Rev Dr: 1:44:37

wait.

Katische Haberfield: 1:44:37

It's my job to to explain to people that what I do isn't ex existent because I guess of that, and America is a more litigious society than Australia the, you have to be very careful'cause you're, not a mental health practitioner, you're not a psychologist. You are dealing with people who, in my case, are going through spiritual awakenings. They're having temporary blips. Or they've moved into a house where there's something going on or there's something with their ancestors or it's a d it's a different situation. And uh I do get clients who have had exorcisms who then do still have residual stuff that come to me. Uh,

Rev Dr: 1:45:20

actually

Katische Haberfield: 1:45:21

dealing with

Rev Dr: 1:45:22

that, yeah, and being that priest and being that, having to be in that person to actually perform the exorcism is a special kind of someone,

Katische Haberfield: 1:45:33

Yeah,

Rev Dr: 1:45:34

a really Someone. Because that not, that is not easy.

Katische Haberfield: 1:45:39

No,

Rev Dr: 1:45:40

the cases. I've seen some of the cases aside from actually being there personally, been in situations, seeing what can actually happen to the person that is delivering the exorcism and officiating it, it is not fun. It is scary. It is downright, it can be downright horrible and very bad. And I'd rather it, I don't wanna be there.

Katische Haberfield: 1:46:11

No. And you've gotta have just such a level of protection that is just like I.

Rev Dr: 1:46:17

Yeah.

Katische Haberfield: 1:46:18

The word supernatural comes to my mind, but it's not supernatural. But do you know what I mean? It's this nth degree of protection that the ordinary person can't access that because psychologically if you're doing that, exorcism you,

Rev Dr: 1:46:33

Yeah.

Katische Haberfield: 1:46:34

how do you sleep at night? Like when you've seen some of

Rev Dr: 1:46:35

I know.

Katische Haberfield: 1:46:36

right?

Rev Dr: 1:46:37

Yeah. The, your reality changes completely changes. And I can relate to it of seeing and hearing the stories, but I have a really good imagination. But when, if you're performing it if you're officiating it, yeah, your senses go into complete over, you lose your senses. Your senses are gone. Gone. You don't know what reality is anymore. You are

Katische Haberfield: 1:47:07

step into it, right?

Rev Dr: 1:47:08

hearing things, experiencing things, feeling things that your reality is you may not even be in that room anymore doing it, that you see around you that you would normally see around you. You're still in the room, but you are now somewhere else. Death, field death you're, it's, yeah. And actually maybe potentially seeing the demons,

Katische Haberfield: 1:47:30

Oh, for Yeah. I would believe that completely. Because you've gotta interact with them, right? You've gotta, you've gotta tangibly see them and perhaps maybe you do step aside your current personality and you have somebody like a figure or an archangel step into your consciousness to help you navigate that. I don't know. But

Rev Dr: 1:47:48

You do have an assistant, and normally too, you do have an assistant with the church that's an assistant bishop or a clergy member that's actually assisting with you.'cause You can't hold them down yourself. Come on, it's, there's definitely more than two people in that room too as well.

Katische Haberfield: 1:48:05

Yeah.

Rev Dr: 1:48:08

Yeah.

Katische Haberfield: 1:48:09

Yeah, I can do it. I can't even watch scary movies anymore, so

Rev Dr: 1:48:14

Yeah.

Katische Haberfield: 1:48:15

this is Yeah, no. Nope. Not

Rev Dr: 1:48:19

that is special. That is a very special, someone that's a depe. And Ron. Ron yeah. Archbishop Ron has been on the show a few times.

Katische Haberfield: 1:48:30

Watch one or two of his things, but it's like there's part of me that just goes out too. even, I don't even wanna watch that because I've had entities step through the screen

Rev Dr: 1:48:44

when I've, reviewed, if I reviewed data or evidence in a case, whether it's video, EVPs, anything, I do not sit there for more than 20 minutes at a time or 15 minutes at a time. I have to walk away, Especially if it's EVPs because I've, worked with people who have been on cases that they've shared, and when our member of our team got possessed or was got an attachment from a, from reviewing information about the case.

Katische Haberfield: 1:49:22

Yeah. They need the triangul triangulation of force where you put the archangels, you put yourself in a tetrahedron, and then the archangels on each corner of you, of the tetrahedron, and that's how you get that protection.

Rev Dr: 1:49:35

Yeah. Yeah.

Katische Haberfield: 1:49:37

but yeah, attachment is one of those things that I've experienced myself. And it's like also part of your learning process. It's like an initiation. You got that

Rev Dr: 1:49:50

Yeah.

Katische Haberfield: 1:49:51

you can feel it physically, and that's part of your learning process so that you know how that. It doesn't happen to you again, and because you've got a role in this area.'cause it hurts like hell. I had a ghost attached to my heart in a cemetery, and boy, I could barely breathe. was I had to drive home with that. I was in a lot of chest pain and I was lucky that I was doing a session with a friend who was very skilled and she helped me access and crossover. That that person, Dennis and then we talked to him in the afterlife. I hired another medium to say happened there, Dennis, did you attach to me like that? That was nasty. I've never felt that before in that way. Like when the girl Ivy tried to strangle me, she didn't attach to me. She got my attention, then she went away. But Dennis just went and it came straight in the heart and I I nearly fell over. And I learned a lot from that. And that was on the podcast was the, afterlife conversation with him about why he attached to me. But it was part of my learning process. And now I'm like,

Rev Dr: 1:50:59

Yeah. Yeah. You learn, to put that wall up and that protection. You're like, okay.

Katische Haberfield: 1:51:05

I'm the same if I go on Facebook though I start scrolling and then I will get the algorithm will show me haunted house videos or cemetery visitings. And I'm like, I know straight away they were just talking to them and they haven't crossed over that ghost. And I'm like, okay, here we go, radio team. do it. Let's cross them over right now because I can't stop it, and other ghost rescue mediums say the same thing. They'll turn on the tv, turn on a movie turn on a documentary and they will come through the screen. So it's like you you gotta be steadfast in knowing your skills, but also knowing I. Your boundaries and calling in the the spiritual warriors, the spiritual police, the archangels, doing your visualizations and understanding what works and what doesn't work through a process of trial of error to make sure you're safe. Because you if you're working in this field, you're not here to become possessed or attached. You are here to help those who are, experiencing things, and your role is to, be not the vessel of holding all this energy. Your role is to connect them to those that the spirit world can help them. But yeah I totally get you. It's like you have to be so careful and that's why I am, like, I I. I can start crying for no reason and I'm like, oh God, here we go again. Alright, I hear you. I feel you. I'm really sorry. Let's, do this. Let's move you on, because I can't spend my entire life crying.

Rev Dr: 1:52:45

Yeah.

Katische Haberfield: 1:52:45

tear ducts left soon. I'm like, I'd be like, okay guys, this is too much. Stop it. And they're like, we're sorry. You've done your karma with ghost now. And now this is something that you have to live with. Oh yeah.

Rev Dr: 1:53:04

That, that's why I used to always spread my investigations or out I did, I never tried to overbook'em, not like I do the podcast, but and I didn't want to do too many because it takes a lot of energy outta you. Not if you're just investigating. But if, especially if you're in going in.'cause that's the thing, even though I was a medium and going in on two levels, not officially two levels, but I'd go in officially on one level and then come in on the back end as the medium. It takes a lot of energy outta you. And I've known people who have done way too much. Way too much.

Katische Haberfield: 1:53:47

Yeah it's energetically very draining, and your whole nervous system is shaking, and you've gotta recalibrate. You've gotta ground yourself. You've gotta all basically, you, it's, and it's totally different. And an investigation or crossing over an entity or whatever it's different than normal mediumship it's, a totally different because a ghost feels different to a crossed over spirit. There's just no comparison. It's. And that's why I know the difference so clearly now because of what I've been doing the last five years is'cause I emotionally and physically feel what they're going through. And that's how I know that they haven't crossed over. It's I know how you died. I can feel it. I don't want to feel it. Go quick. Let's get you going because I don't want that energy resonating in my body anywhere. Do you know what I mean?

Rev Dr: 1:54:44

Yeah. Yeah.

Katische Haberfield: 1:54:47

yeah. Was there, we have almost been talking for two hours, so I wanna say, is there anything else you would like to cover before we go, other than please watch the seance? Any last words of wisdom or anything that

Rev Dr: 1:55:00

other than Conscious Radio network. Yeah, just go to conscious radio network.com and that everything's on there. Everything words of takeaway, I always tell my guests this too. Go. What you gotta take away. I wish I had a free book, but that's on the way. Don't hide from who you truly are out there. If, somebody out there is trying to is going, is in that moment going, what is this all about? What, is this? Why, are we here? Why are we here? Keep asking that question. Keep asking that question.'cause you everybody knows the answer to this question. And it is to discover who we truly are. It's to experience, and it's the experience of that discovery of truly knowing who we really are. And don't forget to ask the the other questions. We just sit back. If we're struggling, don't ask other people. Ask your higher self. Sit there in silence for a moment. And just ask. And the answer will always be given to you. And don't lie to yourself. Don't lie to yourself. Don't become, don't try to be somebody you're not. Be your authentic self. You don't have to lie, you don't have to impress anybody at all, just yourself.

Katische Haberfield: 1:56:40

Yeah. All right.

Rev Dr: 1:56:42

Yeah,

Katische Haberfield: 1:56:42

very much. Namaste and we will chat again another time. No doubt.

Rev Dr: 1:56:50

definitely looking forward. Looking forward it.

Katische Haberfield: 1:56:52

on the podcast.

Rev Dr: 1:56:54

You're welcome. Thank you.

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